Innovation MUST be OPEN - Dell needs to support this!

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Innovation MUST be OPEN - Dell needs to support this!

150 points posted to Dell, Environment, Education by phubert Apr 9

As this article reveals, all TRUE innovation for the future MUST be open.

Save the planet? Open!
Education? Open!
Resolve world conflict? Open!
FIX government IT? Open!

How Open Source (Ideas) Can Win the War and Save the Auto Industry

"The great products of the future are going to be built on platforms for innovation. Products with broad appeal developed by one company behind closed doors are going to be the exception not the norm. Open products will thrive on open ideas developed transparently and without pride in individual ownership." ****

http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/archives/080407-105255.html

phubert Apr 9	If we are to HAVE a (good) future, it MUST be OPEN!
pell Apr 9	There is a proverb (a near word-to-word translation). If there are several liable persons there no answerable one. Undirectional and unmanaged growth is too close to senseless waste of resources.
phubert Apr 9	OPENNESS does not equate to lack of accountability, quite the opposite. The level of accountability RISES in the 'many eyes' environment. If you don't like openness, NEVER use the Internet.
winoffice Apr 9	Open this, open that...demoted.
phubert Apr 9	Well, I really _do_ feel sorry for you guys. Apparently your understanding of "freedom" and mine differs dramatically. The concept of "open", to me, is fundamental to a free society. Unfortunately, most societies we see are far from being free. And, all those who oppose individual freedoms also oppose openness, as does the greed motive. To me, totalitarianism and greed are equal partners. Both will ultimately try to shackle your MIND.
phubert Apr 9	Many so-called "open minds" are anything BUT. Fear and loathing, jervis. No more than that. Speaking of "fear and loathing", check this out (posted at varlinux.org): Expelled - no intelligence allowed Ben Stein does a movie, investigating how hostile the establishment is against anyone who questions Darwinism. I recommend watching the "Super Trailer". **** http://www.getexpelled.com/
phubert Apr 9	You couldn’t do this with proprietary software **** http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/04/07/you-couldnt-do-this-with-p...
phubert Apr 9	What the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit is for "The gentleman's question and the answers he received illustrate the value of the summit. A highly technical user, but one obviously unfamiliar with the customs and process of Linux kernel development, was able to ask exactly the right people how to achieve the desired result. Collaboration, participating in the process, was the answer he needed. **** http://www.linux.com/feature/131926
jervis961 Apr 9	interesting trailer. I guess I never really thought about it.
phubert Apr 9	Stein is a pretty amazing individual. A friend knew far more about him than I did and I'm sure there's far more _to_ learn.
phubert Apr 9	He is CLEARLY (as you learn about him) someone unafraid to make substantial commitments to those things he believes in (including charity).
winoffice Apr 9	Well phubert, for you "freedom" means "must be open". In my opinion, that is not "freedom" at all, as you are forced into open this way. For me, "freedom" means that everyone can choose for himself whether to be open or closed. In my opinion both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.
jervis961 Apr 9	I guess that means you are going to start voting for linux ideas then because you want people to have the choice.
winoffice Apr 9	Actually jervis961 I have promoted various Linux ideas. I initially totally opposed it (I demoted everything)...but not anymore. I still do demote various Linux ideas however, because I am tired of Linux ideas.
phubert Apr 9	Well, WO, when I say "must" I am not referring to any legislated necessity. in other words, I am not referring to the use of FORCE as THAT would be in opposition to freedom. I assumed you would know this. I, of course, mean "must necessarily be" as anything else RESTRICTS freedom, but the MOVE to that must also be by CHOICE. But that choice is the only rational alternative. :-D Naturally, you're free to pursue unreason.
zanlok Apr 9	This post is inane. "Open" is recent. American / "western" ingenuity has a long history of setting the world standard. Free societies are what truly allow for innovation. Of course, you're free to use the Open model if you like.. but many others will innovate through real capitalism and make a profit.. without a profit, what's the point of innovating - otherwise, you may as well be in a non-free country.. personally, I (really) like to profit from my innovations !!
phubert Apr 9	1) one can sell OPEN products, though support is a better model 2) computing is INFRASTRUCTURE, hence a COST CENTER to us all... hence, it should be a public utility ... we should not be PREYED upon by those with dollar signs in their eyes 3) programmers should be PAID for their work, not made billionaires.
jervis961 Apr 9	You would almost think some of you are clones of each other in your thinking. :D
pell Apr 9	2 phubert > If you don't like openness [look intently] What else should one like? Spanner, or maybe screwdriver, or maybe hammer, or any other instrument? Are there any reasons to like a tool? There ARE a lot of reasons to make a decision between several tools to get a tradeoff cah help to obtain a desired effect. But talks on instruments in terms like "love/hate/like/dislike" sounds very strange.
phubert Apr 10	Again, I am not advocating banning proprietary -except in government and public education-. And, even there, it might take some time to move off proprietary platforms. Primarily, however, I'm advocating proper use of the Internet paradigm: OPEN COLLABORATION and simply stating this is NOT possible with proprietary products (for the most part) thanks to LICENSE RESTRICTIONS and software PATENTS (which many feel should be ruled invalid). Outlawing proprietary would clearly be wrong. Changing public POLICY to require OPEN in public entities is another matter altogether. The simple fact remains that we've wasted literally millions of hours of programmer effort over the decades thanks to the LACK of collaboration and code-sharing. The Internet has given us the opportunity to turn this around, especially using open software licenses and code foundations!
zanlok Apr 10	Which foundations are also making a new subclass of programmers quite rich, yes? Employed programmers do get paid for their time. If we take risks and successfully compete in the open market, though, then that is a separate issue. Does Bill Gates still get to be thought of as a programmer? I shudder at the thought. He is/was primarily an unscrupulous businessman; albeit one with the winning global view of what people wanted. Remember, (most) people are free to buy anything they like. If they've chosen to fill the coffers of those evil programmers, then that was their choice/fault, not something for which any programmers are culpable.
phubert Apr 10	This has nothing to do with _consumers_ (your arguments there are, of course, entirely valid), but rather with OUR tax burden as a result of supporting extremely redundant (and too often failed) development efforts on PROPRIETARY systems in all levels of government and public education. And, I've never opposed choice. Individual choice and public policy, however, are two entirely different issues. Public policy affecting public agencies and public education, requiring open development and open standards could only benefit us all fiscally.
phubert Apr 10	Jorge requests I add: "Semi-Dupe of Apr 04 05:42 PM: http://tinyurl.com/4z8zgx
jervis961 Apr 10	Why can't he add it?
phubert Apr 10	he's been bounced ... didn't you know?
jervis961 Apr 10	He was banned!?!? When did that happen, I thought he was just protesting.
phubert Apr 10	Nope. Violated the TOU once too often, it seems. I hadn't been paying attention. I ignore a lot of the static.
jervis961 Apr 10	I had no clue how long ago?
phubert Apr 10	sugarbear may correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought I first heard it from her. Since then, Jorge's been a regular at varlinux.org... and a welcome one at that!
jervis961 Apr 10	OK I made an account on varlinux.or and sent you a pm. I think you will recognize the name.
phubert Apr 11	One Router to Rule Them All So, why is this so exciting? Several reasons. It's further proof that Linux can do just about anything, and do it better to boot. It's opened one more resource to Open Source developers, one that helps give Linux more of a foothold in enterprise computing. It means better performance and security for customers/clients/users, as it's been demonstrated over and over that many eyes equal a better and more secure product. In short, it's a triumph for just about everybody. **** http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/one-router-rule-them-all
phubert Apr 11	Innovating - the Open way Cisco Turns Routers Into Linux Application Servers In a surprise move, Cisco opens up its routers to third-party applications. **** http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3740106/Cisco+Turns+Routers+...
zanlok Apr 11	Re: jorge. This was the first I'd heard of that as well. And I'd almost been wondering. I miss the cool images. Did something happen to badblood, too?
phubert Apr 11	dunno... perhaps just loss of interest?? Might be nice (and again, not) if Dell could post who's been banned... but I can also see why that WOULDN'T work...
phubert Apr 11	I think this is a good -related- article, that doesn't pander to either side... Traditional software licensing: Why you pay more and a look at your options there may be a revolution in the cards that could tip the balance of power, argues Gartner. **** http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8440

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