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The Clutter Is Forming: We Need A Moderator

12457 points posted to Dell Community, IdeaStorm by googideas 02/17/07 **IMPLEMENTED**

Approximately 48 hours into its life, and Ideastorm is filling up with repetition and senseless comments. Since moderation cannot be exercised by the participants a moderator a la Dell Employee must put up her hand. Or his hand. We aren't picky!

One: Repeating the same ideas from earlier posts is a pain to the reader and a waste of space and time. These should be removed.

Two: Suggestions which are without applicability to the issues at hand should be removed: one post states that "Dell should set up Dell Pay to compete with Paypal." Sigh. Why?

For what unique purpose? Dell's business is not online payments, in the same way Apple's is not selling music (they sell music at a loss to sell iPods at a gain). There is no benefit to Dell and it meets no need.

Since this format is experimental and fully funded by Dell, I encourage Dell to cut the wheat from the chafe and remove as much as they see fit. For all of the "I have rights" and "freedom of speech" advocates, you don't. This is a place where the good keep going and the bad go out.

The less posts the better. It provides Dell what they want: the opportunity to test strong ideas properly. Without the removal of clutter, the good ideas will by dint of the time they are posted (e.g. 3am) and the increasing volume of posts, inevitably suffer at times the forest's size despite the grandeur of the tree in question.

I may be going against the grain of popular opinion, but you add your vote to this post if you believe in the goal of this site, and not the freedom it offers to utter the first inane thing which comes to mind.
jackie_c is IdeaStorm's moderator. Also, for any mod updates, check out the talk with the moderator blog at the top of the page.




pdonket
02/17/07		 YES...WE do. They should begin consolidating same ideas into the leading post of the group. Such as indian tech centers brought into one, bloatware consolidated etc.
googideas
02/17/07		 And when someone agrees with a statement they should vote for that suggestion. Dell should amplify the scoring system to better explain that a comment does not produce a vote. The only way best thinking and Ideas rise to the top is a click on the tab (PROMOTE). Thanks for your comment.
pdonket
02/17/07		 I was just thinking that, some guys have commented that they agreed with me, yet did not vote for it... lol
googideas
02/17/07		 I'm going to post right now about how to solve this! Thanks.
googideas
02/17/07		 Besides thinking about clutter, we should also be thinking about ways to bulid the thinking on this site. For

http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/61822
pdonket
02/18/07		 This website really needs organization. I just noticed today that if anyone posts ideas today, they will never make it up onto the first or second page because they have been downed in the pages and pages of suggestions, I'm not sure how they can fix this however.
eauxnguyen
02/18/07		 "I encourage Dell to cut the wheat from the chafe and remove as much as they see fit". When this is done this site will lose all credibility as Dell could easily cut anything that wasn't favorable to their image or brand etc. As suggested elsewhere adding a demote function can let the community accomplish this function and maintain the trust of the community.
googideas
02/18/07		 They can archive any removed items for reading. I'm with pdonket on the problems of disappearing ideas but then again it a is democratic manner of handling many thoughts.

What everyone can consider is that the Dell people will be reading everything, regardless of where it is posted.
perropicante
02/19/07		 The biggest need seems to be for consolidation. Maybe a keyword search on new ideas can tell you that similar posts already exist... or a moderator...
fury
02/19/07		 The biggest thing, I think, would be to consolidate the ideas. The comments aren't such an immediate concern, seeing how they're all contained within each respective idea. The duplicate ideas, however, are probably accounting for well over half of the 2nd or 3rd page ideas not being on the first or second pages.

Might I suggest a bit of self-sustaining moderation ability, such as the ability to vote for an idea to be consolidated into another?
jebuswankel
02/19/07		 Force posters to search for their idea and make sure it's unique before they post it.
fury
02/20/07		 Grand idea if the search function worked. ;)
googideas
02/20/07		 Thanks for the comments. I think that Ideastorm is growing exponentially and that they should archive everything which is repetition or disinteresting to them. Viewers can still sift through the posts, but they are out of the way.

They could also tag ideas (I mean with a check mark or logo besides them), or have featured ideas, which they like but feel have gotten lost in the clutter, placed on the mainpage. Call it MICHAEL'S PICKS....
googideas
02/20/07		 This is

http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/62724/Dell_needs_to_clean_up_the_Id...
landoftheshark
02/20/07		 We definitely need something like categories, such as Software, Desktops, Notebooks, Sales Process/Marketing, Customer Support, Design, etc

Another thing that would be great is to find all the similar ones, and group them into a common thread, rather than a bunch of individual topics. (maybe use the tags idea to do aid in this as well) (I noticed a lot of linux topics, as well as no os options, and redesign the products etc)

There should also definitely be some moderators.

For the problem of new topics getting ignored on the last pages... we could fix that by have X # of the most recent topics at the top, followed by the popular ones, or default to the recent ideas page. I would also suggest having a demote button, or at the very least a retract my vote button.
bpeterso2000
02/20/07		 Ditto on the moderator & consolidation comments. With all the clutter & repetitive topics voting is very diluted. It discourages posting & commenting, because it'll just get lost in the clutter. The common thread idea for all similar topics would be an improvement, except that voting would still be diluted. There needs to be clear, concise, non-repetitive items to vote on.
thany
02/21/07		 quote:
Repeating the same ideas from earlier posts is a pain to the reader and a waste of space and time. These should be removed.

I disagree; repeating the same issue more than once emphasizes its importance.
fury
02/21/07		 But if there are a thousand iterations of the same idea and a thousand different people each vote on a different repeat of the idea, not a single one of them are promoted to the top of the popular idea list where the idea normally would be, thus inviting newcomers who do not check the recent ideas list to simply make another version of the idea, which adds to the problem.
fury
02/21/07		 More elaboration on the self-sustaining moderation:

How about people with a certain minimum number of points are able to vote on article mergers much in the same way they can vote to promote an idea?

i.e. a "+" icon in the corner that can be clicked "on" like a light bulb, let it remain "on" while they scroll through pages to reach the one they intend to merge (with some kind of indicator on the side or top showing which article is selected for the left side of the merge), and then the next + icon they click adds a vote for an article merger between those two articles. Then, when an article reaches a certain amount of points to merge with another article, it is merged in, and any votes for the smaller article are updated to become votes for the larger article (barring ones that voted for both, of course)
keter
02/23/07		 I just wrote a suggestion that Dell should have a person on here as an active member of the community to interact on issues like this. My hand is in the air if they want to hire me; I've done exactly this sort of thing before, and in fact wrote the policies and best practices running behind a successful user-submitted content/business intelligence gathering content management system used by a number of major online retailers.

This is a structural and organizational issue. The input structure should be:
  • vote up if you like the idea
  • vote down if you think an idea is stupid or irrelevant (see ZDNet's "thumbs up/thumbs down" ratings - after X many negatives, and the post goes "dark.")
  • don't vote if you are neutral or don't care about the issue a post addresses
  • flag to report inappropriate content and have a moderator verify that the flagging is appropriate and be able to reset the flag to discourage "flag wars" like happens on Craigslist.
The organizational issues are:
  • the search doesn't work and volume is building so fast that duplicate content is inevitable
  • the topical index is woefully inadequate
  • this probably sould be running on mediawiki or a similar wiki structure to allow better linking and self-organizing to occur
At this point, Dell has a bit of a runaway frieght train on their hands, and I would suggest immediately porting this effort to a wiki structure and shutting down this current structure, because the noise to signal ratio is going to just get worse.
s3indiana
02/24/07		 keter Posted: I would suggest immediately porting this effort to a wiki structure and shutting down this current structure
Overall a good idea, but I didn't know voting was incorporated into a wiki...
mongo
02/24/07		 Apple does not take a loss on music sales. Just for the record.
betona
02/24/07		 uh, yeah. How many Linux threads are needed?
pdonket
02/24/07		 apparently about 20.
lookingchris
02/24/07		 Porting over to a wiki would lose several key features I think are great here (or at least, I haven't seen a wiki that incorporates them).
bquigleypgh
02/26/07		 Couldn't agree more. I have clicked through the first 4? pages and already the threads on Linux distros pre-loaded on Dell machines has just about driven me away from this site. Don't get me worng, I am all for supporting Linux on machines, pre-loaded or not, but please people, how many threads are needed for this one topic. If you have something to say about Liux, include it in a thread already created for this purpose.
icantseeyou
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/19/07
One of the very problems Dell has.. you can see based on the way this site is built

Why do you have it so the oldest comments are at the top? Message boards and the such are not new. If you can't have someone review your own Ideastorm page for this kind of stuff why should we buy computers from you.
dsilverman
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/17/07
Add a "demote" button to IdeaStorm submissions

Since you're cloning Digg so well, why not add a "demote" button -- similar to Digg's "Bury" -- to allow the crowd to mod down noise, trolls and off-topic posts?
googideas
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/17/07
Going to be abused by others who are posting I would guess. Perhaps a neutral botton that says "I don't like it" without it affecting the rating.
dsilverman
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/17/07
It works pretty well on Digg. The Bury button includes reasons why. Moderators can override.
i_own_dell
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/17/07
definitely need one.....demote or neutral...we are just comparing +10 against +10....measure +10 against 0 or maybe -10.....
fury
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/19/07
I think this model works just fine - the less popular ideas and stuff just won't get promoted, it's not like every visitor will automatically promote every idea
perropicante
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/19/07
Maybe a demote due to dupe... Many of the ideas are recurring. Moderators need to get involved to clean this up otherwise.
reg
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/19/07
Mod Parent Down!
;~)
xstatyk
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
Not a good idea, because then that will really bring the "hardcore" digg users up to a flaming point and there will be rants, raves, and pouting just as there was about

http://digg.com/tech_news/Yahoo_Shamelessly_Rips_Off_Digg_and_Brags_About_It
yahooadam
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
I think its needed, but some way to deal with duplicate articles may be a better idea, currently there are far too many clones of the same idea
verbos
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/21/07
Some of the comments here are obviously off track. The point here is for marketing research which benefits Dell and thus the customer. If you keep that in mind your posts will make more sense.
impala
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/23/07
You need a demote button so Dell can tell the difference between items that are universally popular, and ones that are controversially popular. Also you can tell the difference between items that are universally unpopular, and ones that are just ignored.

ZDnet.com blogs have thumbs-up and thumbs-down; but their "top rated" list seems to be the ones with the most positive votes, not the one with the most positive vote PERCENTAGE. IN other words, they have thumbs-down but dont use it to rank the articles. You could do that too, even though that bugs me, but at least I can see the total votes, the thumbs-up votes, and figure it out for myself. Not here.
phubert
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/23/07
The other alternative would be to add a "cons" _count_.

However, since the handful of 'most popular' entries clearly support one particular viewpoint, and since there has been virtually NO opposition cited (just look through the site to verify that), I suspect that, as sentiment expressed at this site goes, you are seeing something consistent.

Now, generally people satisfied with 'status quo' don't participate anyway. That, by itself, creates 'skew'.

On the other hand, Dell is DOING this because DELL realizes that 'status quo' has them slipping backwards. And, THIS site is one of their steps toward plotting a new course.
mfearby
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/24/07
A "Thumbs Up" and a "Thumbs Down" count would be great. At the moment, the only way of saying I think something is a bad idea is either not to promote it or to add a comment.
thirty2bit
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/25/07
Add the ability to have community moderators to dump the dups, build in logic to prevent ideas from being bombed by one person/group/company, or from being pumped up by the same.

It's a good idea to have a "Demote" or "Thumbs down" because without reading comments, Dell has no idea how many people actually don't like or disagree with ideas.
stevied
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/25/07
The demote , negative vote, or whatever we wanna call it, is needed NOW !!!!

The vocal minority are ruling the posts.
plbogen
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/26/07
We definitely need a way to flag duplicate entries!
fyrefly
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/26/07
i agree, theres lots of stupid ideas that need to be demoted.
phubert
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/26/07
Although there are many duplicate posts "ideas" and very low-quality (poorly or inadequately defined or phrased) ideas and comments, to suggest some "vocal minority" is significantly skewing _voting_ is another matter altogether.

Now, this assumes that Dell has been successful in preventing duplicate _votes_. If they identify 'voters' by IP address, as well as by registered user name, significant 'spam' votes should be held to a minimum.

As I have said before, although LInux/OSS supporters are, indeed, vocal, there seem to be _extremely few_ expressing themselves in opposition to those views. In fact, the number is miniscule.

And, remember that a 'demote' button is a double-edged sword. What's to prevent those who disagree with you from wiping YOUR entry off the map??

But, this site is Dell's for its own purposes. Whatever they decide will come to pass, I expect, whether that be action or inaction.
navvy
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/26/07
"Votes against" could be done by having a contrary idea listed adjacent to the first idea. Wouldn't work unless the two ideas could be locked together. Voting for or against the same idea is simpler. Votes against need to be counted separately, though. eg votes against Linux would effectively be votes for Windows. If 10% of voters wanted Linux and 90% wanted Windows, Dell would need to be able to see that they had a potential 10% market to support. If the 90% votes against were simply cancelling the 10% for, then Dell would not get any useful marketing data.
thehotfun
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/17/07
News Bits: Dell Launches Idea Storm Site, Boxed Vista Sales Lag ...

Dell has launched a Digg.com style site in which users can submit product ideas and suggestions to Dell, and then others can vote on those suggestions.
iota
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
Wow, such abuse of this idea submission system. Is that your goal? To disrupt the system? Because there is no reason to submit news stories related to Dell here. You must understand this, right? Please grow up.
skrillaz
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
^ What he said.
thehotfun
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
Dell has launched a new website that allows customers to share ideas on how to improve Dell’s products and services. The site, Dell IdeaStorm, allows Dell
howardnyc
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/17/07
There is no feedback button for this site

I have had trouble posting a comment on to the following

http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/61811/Dell_Wants_Free_IdeasThat_Can...< text of what I was trying to post was the following...

suggest: make this posting something that keeps floating to the top so every newcomer can see it and recognize there are potential benefits aside from blowing off steam... heck, I would have liked getting this as an introductory e-mail when I signed up today...

quote . . . . . .

Dell Employees Electing Favorite Stormers - To Dell's Benefit
13 points posted to by googideas 3:24am Save Report abuse.
an article and result I'd like to see:

May 13th, 2007
After a few months of Michael Dell and other senior managment members accessing the highly popular ideastorm site, it became clear that some members of the forum really were heads and shoulders above others. Not only were the ideas they submistted strong ones, but they also appeared to support other posts which the Dell team liked (determined by reviewing what votes these thinkers had handed out).

A decision was made to encourage these better thinkers by providing them the iSquared powers. The term comes from "Ideas Squared" and the exponentiality is expressed in part by providing the iSqaured members ten times the voting power. When an iSquared member votes on another post, that post receives 100 points instead of 10. By doing this the Dell team helped themselves by enabling the best thinkers to high-light the best posts.

iSquared has spawned other benefits to the community, both for Dell and for the users. iSquares, as they are known, are rewarded with a conference once a year and other privileges designed to maximize their input. To date, iSquares have sold 4 ideas to Dell and seven have even been hired.

Some iSquares are involved in the ideastorm Improvment Team. Dell says that "it's not enough to put up a site and let the action begin - we have to know how to cultivate the responses and improve the quality. We need to mine the results for improvement and profit."

The iSquared status isn't permanent by any means. It can be revoked if the individual stops participating or his or her performance and/or accuracy drops. Of the fourteen iSqaure promotions, two were rescinded recently. Maintaining your iSquared status for one year earns you a free notebook and an invitation to the iSquared Conference.

Not bad for contributing some time says Fiona Parker. Ms. Parker is a retail clerk in a shoe store in Boise Idaho by day, and an iSquared member by night. "I guess they think I can think." she says with pleasure in her voice. "I like making things better. And I have lots of intersting friends thinking with me. I think this might be one of the way companies think in the future."
---30---

Would this be an improvment you'd like to see?

seemslike
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/21/07
Comments

How do I add to comments of an introduced idea?
ltcmurray
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/21/07
click the line that says comment> and then type in your comment and click the post button. The comment box is usually located at the bottom of all of the previous comments. Good luck.
goonmaster
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/21/07
Heh, youve already done it
phubert
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/22/07
Site needs a 'monitor this thread' option with email notification

When one has posted a question as a 'comment' to a subject posting, it would certainly help if responses TO that question could optionally generate an email to the originator of the question...
sinisterhand
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/24/07
Maybe Dell you think about changing...

This site. Anyone else think that this is a rip-off of digg.com? I think it is and while I like the whole idea of customer feedback, Dell needs to be more original. The user promotion system is something this site needs but the layout doesn't need to be a generic digg site.
sinisterhand
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/24/07
Learn to spell, moron.
diggaddict
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/24/07
Hey I love Digg too, but they dont own the right to have social networks vote on user contributed content. Actually I reckon this is the best thing out that Dell wants to listen to its customers. Stop bagging Dell's new sites homage to Digg and appreciate that they may actually listen to your ideas! Grow up and leave that childish attitude behind.
jjkoch
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/24/07
I think this is a fantastic idea. I visit Digg every day and i hold no ill will towards dell for this. Using social networking to better understand your customer is a true incarnation of what a good company should be doing... LISTENING!
howardnyc
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/18/07
IDEA STORM: failure to provide simple way to attach images

IDEA STORM: failure to provide simple way to attach images
mrlinux11
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/26/07
Shut down Dellideastorm.com

Shut down dellideastorm.com

Since the most popular ideas dont seem to interest Dell then what is the reason for the site, a place for customers to vent.
bennish
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/26/07
What the hell are you talking about? They're already taking action on the issues.
mrlinux11
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/27/07
They are paying lip service, it is only for corporate customers, which they have already been doing that with Red Hat for more than a couple of years. Also there N-Series PC dont come with Linux they come with FreeDOS and you still have to install it !!!!!
drahnreb
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/22/07
What will you do with our IDEAS?

Dear Mr. DELL,

when will we acquire knowledge which of our ideas has insired you for new products and services?

Or will this only be a marketing trick?
phubert
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
Give 'em a BREAK! This site's only been UP for SIX DAYS!!!!
googideas
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
ditto
dell_admin2
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
From the Moderator: Updates will be provided on the "Ideas in Action" tab. We are very pleased with the huge response received - more than 1500 ideas to go through.
ladybug
02/27/07		 Have to agree with bennish...
googideas
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/16/07
How We Can Help Dell Make Ideas Submission Process Better

I have already posted some suggestions but I see now that we, the forum users, must acknowledge that nothing is perfect. If you want an improvement or have a suggestion on how Dell can configure and grow iideastorm to better handle and process winning ideas, let them know by posting here.

If we keep our comments brief and to the point, we can enable an environment for the Dell people to get their heads around Ideas sublitted.

Some of you have something you want to sell to Dell. Not sure if this is the place but if you are gunning for such a result, then think before you post. They already KNOW we'd ideally like to laptops in twenty colours, and they are not going to pay you for the obvious.

My contribution to kick this off is this:

We as bloggers/participators are ranked by votes - you get ten points per vote.. This does not rate or gauge the value of the post beyond boost it's visibility. It might be helpful to have certain criteria listed in the left margin such as Applicability Rating, Innovation Rating, etc. This way when we comment we characterize the vote and this provides botha way of searching for posts but also assist Dell in finding the type they might be looking for at any one moment.

User-Friendliness, Novelty, Eureka, whatever the categories are, I think this would be helpful. It'll be up to Dell to pick what they functionally need, so don't be disappointed if your "Sexiness" rating suggestion is not taken up (we all know you're sexy!).

adam
jervis961
02/27/07		 OK googideas,

I have gone back and changed some of my posts to messages asking Dell to delete them. I also changed one to be about the fact that someone can change the post into what ever they want at any time and could get embarrassing. I then reported my own post as abuse as an attempt to get them to look at it and delete it for me since I can't. Maybe if anyone who discovers that they have double posted an idea does this they will change how the site works. I also think we should report the abuse by others who are trying to clutter the site with 10 identical posts.
phubert
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/23/07
Suggestion: allow the comment ORIGINATOR to DELETE the comment

...and allow the initial post creator to edit / delete that post

(sorry to piecemeal these suggestions!)
bruceiv
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/20/07
Ideastorm Software Catagory

Include a category in Ideastorm for software and OSes - your primary business is computers, please provide a better category breakdown here.
arclight
02/27/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/25/07
Show how many views each idea has had on IdeaStorm

Show how many views each idea has had on idea storm. Its hard to judge the value of a certain number of votes, when its unknown how many times people have had a chance to read it.
486dx2
02/27/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/25/07
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jervis961
02/28/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/20/07
Dell please delete this or merge it with http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/61996/The_Clutter_Is_Forming_We_Need_A_Moderator

Dell please delete this post as it is a duplicate of another on the site. Also please find a better way to police this site perhaps with a moderator. I think we should be able to delete our posts if we want and there should be tighter control over the ability to edit your post.
googideas
02/28/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
I agree. I said so in a post which appeared days

http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/61996/The_Clutter_Is_Forming_We_Nee...< post has added to the clutter and has repeated old ideas. It's a perfect example of where in part the problems are coming from, and while I do not blame you, I will caution you and others to think before you post. I have also written extensively on this and other Ideastorm related issues.

To support better usage of the site, better thinking, and better overall experience, see my post and cast your votes. Thank you.
jervis961
02/28/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
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jervis961
03/06/07		 I emailed Dell about this the other day via the contact email for the Dell forums and was emailed back today. They are paying attention and have added to a mederator update link near the top of the page with further information. For the lazy here is a link. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/ideastorm/moderator?c=us&l=en&...
reg
03/07/07		 I Like Puppies.



Puppy Linux!

reg
03/07/07		 senseless comments senseless comments senseless comments senseless comments senseless comments senseless comments

Sorry, I felt the strong need to post a repetition of senseless comments! ;~P
pdonket
03/08/07		 Yeah, i'm extremely tired of seeing 4,000 linux threads scattered about.
dsoltesz
03/12/07		 I don't think ideas should be deleted, the voting system works pretty good, and "moderators" are the worst possible thing one could do to a brainstorming board. Possibly adding some features to help filter topics of interest, such as tagging would help matters. Forcing the post submitter to look at existing posts similar to his own before submitting the idea would help folks support existing threads instead of cluttering up the place with a new one would help. A Slashdot style voting system (i.e. being able to demote an item) would be nice.
phubert
03/12/07		 managing users in a open forum is like herding cats...

When there are x number of "clear up the clutter" and y number of 'Load Linux" or "no OS" or "load Open Office", I would think it would be a no-brainer to combine them!
madmat
03/19/07		 Yea its getting really bad in here.
reg
03/19/07
jervis961
03/20/07		 Also banning of people who keep posting about the same topic over and over would be nice.
motie35
03/20/07		 The moderator should be female, attractive, and have a big picture of her smiling face on the main page. :) I agree with the consolidation of like ideas into groups, but not removing redundant ideas, necessarily, but perhaps recategorizing them as comments on the primary post of the same idea. Perhaps the moderator could restate her/Dell's understanding of what the main idea is, or make it an editable wiki
reg
03/21/07
grondinm
04/10/07		 I think a moderator would be a great idea. It is a pain to see the same suggestion over and over and to see suggestions that are not even suggestions maybe have a moderator that can take duplicate suggestions and post them as comments on the existing submission. Also i would volunteer to do this if dell is readin this (-: (Have to try) but all around this site is a great idea it gives us a chance to speak back. If only the whole comunity would respect what dell is doing and not just come to bash.
phubert28
04/10/07		 Well, I suppose others have noticed that we have participants who are evidently otherwise unidentified Dell employees, responding with such as "We are developing...".

I, as well as others, have been ASKING (pleading) for OPEN Dell participation. Perhaps those who HAVE contributed as above see that involvement as open.

As to moderation, it appears all the content of my 'old' login ('phubert') has disappeared from the site. Or at least SEARCH no longer finds it.

This site reminds me of an original Rod Serling Twilight Zone episode wherein various characters found themselves within a tall cylinder from which they could not escape, hoping either to find out what was on the outside or to simply GET OUT.

So, is Dell indulging in a certain amount of mental torture here? Is this actually a DARPA project????
uklathemock
05/02/07		 There are about 3 or 4 ideas with "Pre-installed Linux" Good grief. Merge them into one please. Is there a mod yet?
dell_admin1
05/03/07		 Changed status to **IMPLEMENTED**.
shooters
05/09/07		 If you are interested in helping clear the clutter from IdeaStorm, visit this idea: 67110: An open community solution to categorization.
expatinasia
05/17/07		 "This site reminds me of an original Rod Serling Twilight Zone episode wherein various characters found themselves within a tall cylinder from which they could not escape, hoping either to find out what was on the outside or to simply GET OUT."

The difference, of course, is that the Twilight Zone members did not ask to be put there, and you're here of your accord. You can leave at any time. The forum is moderated and mined every day by Dell employees. Unfortunately, you expect the moderator to exchange personal emails with you, real time. It's not going to happen. If you want the "inside scoop", so you can tell all of your friends that you are "in the know", I suggest that you foster an adult - rather than childish - relationship with a Dell employee. The moderator is neither your mom nor dad, neither your friend nor foe.
coneinc
05/22/07		 i thank every ones has there on ideas if some one wants to see paypal to buy dell computers then thats there opioion.just becuse you dont want to see it dosent mean other people dont want thats why they have the 2 buttons to select promote are demote
googideas
07/24/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 02/20/07
REBELLION: I AM WITHOLDING MY IDEAS UNTIL...

If you like the gist of this, promote it up to the top!

This is my last post until Dell cleans this site up and adds a moderator/filter. I posted the original clean up the clutter post, and since then for example there have been numerous duplicates. I have a simple (implementable today) idea to help alleviate the problems with Customer Service Overseas. I will not be posting it until the site is more organized. Support a cleaner IdeaStorm. Promote it!
jervis961
07/24/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
Somebody call a Waaaambulance. Dude get over yourself., I don't think they are listening anyway otherwise they would have listened to you the first time. I don't blame you for being frustrated, I am too,. Posting the same idea again and threatening to take your ball and go home isn't the way to get them to change things. Like I have said before I'm starting to think this site is more a marketing ploy than anything else.
googideas
07/24/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
I am over myself (I was 10 years ago). This isn't a whine, just another ploy/attempt/effort to make a difference here.

Since I sell Ideas for a living, I am more than used to being ignored.

I think they are listening. I just don't think they are moving quickly enough to keep people like yourself from becoming cynical. Thanks for your comment.
terry
07/24/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
I had a cure for cancer once. I forgot it cause no one wanted to clean up the American Cancer Society web site.
I might remember it if they conform to my standards.
jervis961
07/24/07		 Merged Comment originally posted 02/22/07
ROFLOL
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