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Linux 2.6.16 ready (sticker)

41881 points posted to Linux, Desktops and Laptops by chiuchu 02/19/07

Hello,
How about a sticker like windows' which show that the PC is fully compatible with Linux ? A sticker with "Linux 2.6 ready" or "Ubuntu 6.10 Capable" or something like this. Thanks.

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gautam 02/20/07	Now all I run is Linux, so don't say I am a hater. I just think the sticker isn't really needed, because most Distros of Linux can run on any notebook - all the way back to the 486DX processors. There just isn't a point to having a sticker when Linux is NOT demanding on system specs.
biehl 02/20/07	Sorry, stickers suck. They are annoying and they add cost for no benefit at all.
carlosponti 02/20/07	i dont see that as needed.
coopersecurity 02/20/07	This is a good point to have corresponding OS and sticker. But a better idea would be for Dell to supply all the OS stickers to the customers without such hassles. For example, I have an Optiplex GX110 desktop running XP, but the original OS that was installed on the computer was Windows 2000, so it has a "Windows 2000" sticker on it. It would be nice if Dell would give me a "Designed for Windows XP" sticker to put on my GX110 so that the computer would'nt look so dated, but Dell just states that they don't supply the stickers for consumers without a computer purchase. Or Dell could at least allow the consumer extra "Designed for Windows XP" (or whatever OS is being used) sticker for backup, because for example, some computers at companies I work with "loose" their stickers because people peel them off and steal them, and it just makes the computer look not so pleasent when the computer doesn't have it. I mean the sticker really isn't a hard thing to mail out, and if Dell wants, they could verify certified users by using the service tag authorization.
jmxz 02/20/07	gautam: The sticker is still valuable if it means " Every piece of hardware in here has a Linux driver" so you don't find you can't use wireless because you need ndiswrapper around a Windows driver. If they just slap a Linux sticker on everything, that's a waste - but if I get a Linux Stickered Dell I'd expect it can run Linux without having to buy-or-steal any Windows drivers.
dreazer 02/20/07	"Sorry, stickers suck" The sticker "Windows vista capable" suck but "linux capable" can be interesting because choose one pc for use linux or other unix system is very difficult. I prefer buy a pc with linux os or other free systeme but if dell can't, I want to be able to buy a linux certified computer. For me, Ubuntu is the best operating system http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lepiegevistaly1.jpg
speedstep 02/20/07	Keeping an open mind is what linux is all about. Supporting Linux isnt free but its definitely possible.
tieden 02/20/07	Yes the worst thing about buying a computer for me is having to check all the hardware to see if it's able to run linux. That would be so much easier if there was just a sticker that I could look at to tell me this. Please please do this, or have Ubuntu option or something.
uwehauck 02/20/07	This to me would be the most important idea to realize. I always search for PCs readily available with linux as I am sort of a linux evangelist in my community and circle of friends. Have already assisted some of my friends in making the switch and all are very satisfied with what they now have for free. So to me the sticker if put on a notebook or PC by dell would be the statement of. Now you can consider using linux cause its reaaaallly easy .
saivann 02/21/07	This is a great idea which will put Windows and Linux on a egality ground and in fact, this is more logic to put linux stickers on products because not all products works with linux. This is strange to put "Designed for Windows" when we all know that all computers can run Windows. Well finally, the greatest idea would be : No Stickers at all !
dreazer 02/21/07	Promote when u are registered = 10 point ;) "Well finally, the greatest idea would be : No Stickers at all !" Just for the fun: http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facadehc3.jpg< is not alone.
teotwawki 02/21/07	I dislike something I've paid for being plastered in adverts but I really do value the principal of compliance labeling. But the labels don't need to be stuck on the machine - just put them on the web page spec sheet, a page in the manual, and the box (if you sell retail).
enalios 02/21/07	Sorry to say, but one of Dell's competitors (at least as far as linux computing goes) offers stickers for Ubuntu, and anyone can get them, they're free http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64< don't link to them to provide them with business but to show Dell: 1): what the stickers look like 2 and most importnatly): That other companies are poised to strike for the Linux user-base too.
wheeldweller 02/21/07	You don't have to say "Ready for Linux kernel 2.16.blah...." And to suggest it's capable opens the door to lawsuits. Here's a better idea: If something works with a mainstream distro, without fiddling with kernels, put a penguin sticker on it. Most of your things do, already- I'm doing this on a Dimension 3000 right now. It's not that costly, and it's a first-step to open the door to more customers without risking lawsuits.
coopersecurity 02/21/07	saivann, you could just take off the stickers yourself, if your so inclined to. LOL.
wmealing 02/22/07	What Dell really need to think about is what they mean by "Linux Ready", I'm sure that the execs are thinking the same thing. If they ship everyones favourite distro out of the box, they then have to worry about the support contract. Just like the windows customers, support does cost money. If they are able to say, "Contact Red Hat", or "Contact Suse", thats all fine, but other distros might not be this lucky. There are a number of machines which seem to support ANY linux out of the box, (See the D620 ATG), these would be the machines that you can call "Linux Ready", as it wont require any special hardware and should work on most modern distributions out of the box. When it comes down to the crunch, Dell need to be more involved in the Open Source communities that do the development for this hardware, to ensure that the software works best with their hardware.
pvdg 02/22/07	I'm not sure about this idea, but if it ever goes ahead, remember the stickers should read "GNU/Linux compatible", "GNU/Linux ready" or "Designed for GNU/Linux".
jantman 02/22/07	As to GNU/Linux, the GNU/Linux OS still has never been formed into a complete, working operating system. I do NOT run GNU/Linux, I run SuSE Linux based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. My thought on "Linux Compatible" would be do do a survey of the most popular distros - say, SuSE, RedHat, CentOS, and maybe a few others. On the product page at dell.com, simply have a link to a chart of all the distros, the main components in the system (mobo, drives, controllers, NIC, video card, etc.) and show comptability (say, green check for out-of-the-box, yellow for needs some manual config/drivers, or red for none). Perhaps some of the testing could be done by volunteers. If Dell had a program where I could buy the computer, test it with my distro, send them a report, and if it didn't work, return it, I'd jump right in. The major issue here is whether Dell wants to make a commitment to the Linux community or not. With the amount of press that this site is getting within the Linux world, the bottom line is that Dell either makes some gesture, at least a token one like shipping dual-boot systems, and appeases the Linux world, or they totally ignore our comments, and the entire Linux community knows that Dell doesn't care. I already run all HP servers because they had Linux support before Dell. Should I do the same thing for desktops?
chrigixx 02/22/07	lol what would it bring, to make some stickers?? this is not needed and brings only confusion to the users which are not experts, like an older person
chiuchu 02/22/07	@chrigixx : in this case, Dell has to remove Windows' stickers...
octathlon 02/22/07	I like this idea but would add, 1) make sure you offer a guarantee that every piece of hardware on it fully (not partially) works with a real Linux driver (not "cheating" with ndiswrapper for example), and 2) also do the same with peripherals and make sure you carry at least one of each type (printer, scanner, camera, etc. ) that is Linux-compatible.
dphurst 02/22/07	Options are what we want as customers, right? Allow us to pick our OS, pick our hardware, and yes, pick our sticker! Your new slogan for 2007 is: Dell means choice and you get to pick your sticker too! Just think how little kids will have a fit getting to pick the penguin of their choice for the new home PC. You are going to offer an assortment of penguins, right? That is my wife's favorite part of her PC is the cute little penguins that pop up in programs or icons.
webmonkey44 02/22/07	This in my opinion would save alot of headaches for people wanting linux.
prasincs 02/23/07	yeah... altho it is a nice idea to have a sticker as such but it can be viewed as a sign of smugness and a lil elitism..(not that it's so bad) esp on the MS side... so why join them... after all linuxes run in almost everything...
calimo 02/24/07	In my opinion, a sticker is not really needed, but the thing is, when I buy a new computer (especially a desktop), I would really like to have the certainty that Linux will work 100% ok on it with every peripheral. So a mere clear mention that it is compatible would be sufficient.
lowerlogic 02/24/07	I like this idea. I'd say either remove all the "Windows Vista/XP/ME/98/95/3.1 Compatible" stickers or put a "Linux Ready" sticker on the product as well if the product has native linux drivers that make the product fully functional in several mainstream linux distros. I usually take stickers off anyway but if regular shoppers only see "Windows Compatible" stickers, they might get the idea that the products only work with Windows, when in reality much of it does work in Linux.
blvdking 02/24/07	I agree. This isn't needed.
adam1213 02/24/07	How about Linux compatible sticker (the new dell bios for inspiron 500m makes some distros screen res stuff up. This is not just for this model of dell laptops, it works with older bios please fix it up) I would pay $1 to get a linux compatible sticker for under my computer and near the touchpad (a small picture of tux would be nice) but I woud not pay for it on a new computer.
valeryan_24 02/25/07	This is a very good idea : there are other possibilities than Windows, and Linux is one of them, with many excellent distributions. Knowing that a laptop if fully Linux compatible and ready would be useful before buying.
thirty2bit 02/25/07	I would rather see a "Linux compatible" graphic logo displayed by the BIOS at boot time. You can's lose/rip that off. :) The logo has the same problem as the sticker though: there are many Linux distros out there. You're not claiming compatibility with the kernel (2.6.20 is what I run), but with the hardware around it. Dell would have to choose one distro to adopt as their choice to load on Linux machines, and ensure compatibility with that. Frankly, if this is going to happen, I would want Dell to get together with the three top Linux distros and include all three in a stickering/BIOS capaign.
pkarlos_76 02/25/07	If the hardware has drivers in linux available for it, then I would consider it "Linux Ready" also note dell can outsource it's support for linux distros by referring customers to Cannonical Global Support services, or even buying a 1 to 3 year support contract as part of the price to obtain support for Ubuntu products, ie http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
pkarlos_76 02/25/07	The above is just a example of outsourcing support for Ubuntu.
pvdg 02/25/07	@jantman: I'm afraid I disagree. Linux is a kernel, GNU/Linux is an OS which is available in many 'flavors' called distributions such as SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu, gNewSense, etc.
webdev 02/25/07	I think that stickers for Linux should be put on products. I often go to the store to look for hardware and the device has a sticker for Windows and Mac, but no mention of Linux. How about Tux the penguin and a note that says tested with a few of the most common distros: Ubuntu 6.10 Fedora x.x SuSE x.x etc. By doing this, Dell would gain the strong loyalty of the free open-source software community.
boss_78 02/26/07	I like this idea but the new version of linux kernel is not 2.6.16 but 2.6.20 :) Why not hum...: -Ubuntu 7.04 -Fedora 7 -Mandriva 2007-1 -Linux Kernel 2.6.20 (or 2.6.21) -Designed for Linux (best drivers!)
flensr 02/26/07	I like the idea of putting a "linux ready" sticker on the computer if all the components have linux drivers. Who cares what kernel version, just let us know if there are linux drivers for the hardware being used. It will have the side benefit of pressuring OEM hardware suppliers into developing or assisting the developing of linux drivers for their hardware. No OEM wants to be known as the reason why a computer can't wear a "vista ready" or "made for vista" sticker, and a "linux ready" sticker would have some of the same effect. If it's well known that using a particular network card (for example) means your computer no longer qualfies as linux ready, then that network card manufacturer will have an incentive to get their act together and provide linux drivers.
socceroos 02/26/07	No point in arguing over the Linux kernel version. I believe that just a sticker saying Linux 2.6 ready - or Linux 2.6 compatible is great. We need these stickers on the PC's and Laptops. Just having them there is going to get people more interested in this alternative OS. I say do it!
sz00 02/26/07	good idea
wh 02/26/07	The stickers would be GREAT for marketing by telling a user that the computer is fully supported with Linux. However, it does add cost and add clutter to the device.... Maybe remove the Designed for Windows stickers and make a single Windows/Linux supported sticker?
marx2k 02/26/07	The linux kernel community offers free linux driver development for any hardware vendor interested! : http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/free_drivers.html http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/free_drivers_faq.html
hackamore 02/26/07	isn't everything already linux ready? you've got source code and if you need a driver you just write it.
genium 02/26/07	It is really important to talk about GNU/Linux; Linux is just the kernel... And designed for free software (free as freedom)
jyoungxxxx 02/27/07	I say LSB Certification sticker should be used instead of using multiple distros. http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/LSB
izprince 02/27/07	A version number on the sticker would be a bad idea, since Linux distros are revisioned so quickly. IMO, if Dell ships a system with Linux, it would be kind of cool to have a "Designed for Ubuntu" or "Designed for Suse" or "Designed for Mandriva" or whatever sticker on there.
gilhad 02/28/07	I really woud like sticker "Linux ready" (with Tux, the Penguin, on it) which will be on all HW which has Linux drivers aviable. I case of PC/notebook this sticker should say - there are Linux driver for all HW components inside. If I would see two computers, one with such sticker, second without - quess which one I will choose to buy ;-)
cyber_rigger 02/28/07	Companies selling preinstalled Linux (unlike http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/23168/ http://lxer.com/module/db/index.php?dbn=14
trentreviso 03/01/07	Here are some stickers you could use: http://i15.tinypic.com/4gflp55.jpg http://i8.tinypic.com/2qdwnqb.jpg
guyjohnston 03/04/07	I completely agree with pvdg and genium. It is very important to talk about GNU and it's huge importance to the GNU/Linux operating system (or "Linux" as it's often mistakenly called). jantman is completely mistaken about what GNU/Linux and Linux actually are. GNU/Linux is a complete operating system, which jantman uses, as he says he runs SUSE. GNU/Linux contains a kernel called Linux. Please see http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html , or look up 'GNU/Linux' on Wikipedia.
ymulleneers 03/05/07	I vote this because it is realistic!
muppie 03/05/07	A sticker informing me about the compatibility with linux would greatly help me make my choice. I am a linux user, but really don't like the hassle of sorting out the hardware. So a sticker that tells me that this has allresady been done for me by DELL would mean a really good service . To me anyway :-)
sbrown1038 03/06/07	Putting a Linux sticker on a PC would probably be in violation of Microsoft's "Vista Ready" sticker policy.
popi 03/06/07	So good idea! ;-) it's not a violation to microsoft: Intel do same....
jodosh 03/07/07	For me the idea of the sticker is not what makes this a good idea, but the piece of mind knowing that the system is made from components that will work with Linux. When I get new computers I spend a lot of time looking at all the options available seeing which computer will "just work" out of the box when I pop in my install cds for what ever distro I have decided to put on the machine. If dell would just create a database of their components they use so that the web site will tell me that this system will work, it will save me the hours of going through mailing lists and hardware lists, and in turn I will be far more likely to go to Dell first to save the hassle.
danieljames 03/08/07	I think that dell should just leave the stickers of altogether. why advertise software on the hardware shell.
muppie 03/08/07	I don't think it will be legally possible for any company to dictate which stickers suppliers can put on their machines. Microsoft may have high aspirations, but telling people which stickers can be put on their pc's would be too high a one.. So if DELL wants to put a sticker on their machines that says "linux compatible" they can!! But do they WANT to? We will see in time...
tonymac32 03/08/07	OK, veto the sticker. But, on your advertising and web page, put a little "Linux Ready" logo somewhere visible, so we know what to buy.
phubert 03/08/07	Actually, I think the sticker is a GREAT idea... why back off from this?? Just don't use the Microsoft 'flying windows' logo... they'd be sued... QUICKLY. NOW the problem is: WHICH Tux to use? :-)
k3nt 03/10/07	also, things like ubuntu have scheduled releases (every six months) a sticker would get outdated fast. Maybe just tux on the sticker
spanner_man 03/10/07	I think that a sticker that has "Hardware supported by Linux" is important. It would save the users; 1) Trying to make sure that EVERY part of the system hardware has a nix driver. Either GPL or avial only through Dell downloads - Number one issue with current windows users - "Will xyz hardware work with nix?" 2) One click install of the nix driver with very little/no user configuration needed (to help convert winblows users) - Number one issue with current windows users - "How come i need to type commands in this little black text box to install my driver?" For the Logo images - Keep it uniform. Use Tux the penguin as a main logo and only when all hardware has nix drivers
winoffice 03/12/07	I think that it is right. If someone out there wants to use Linux, then then they should know that their new computer can run it. However, I do not think that Linux should be mandatory on new Dell PCs -- instead, the Windows label and OS should remain by default, just the fact that the Linux label will be there as well.
irsmart 03/12/07	The only problem is that nearly every computer is capable of running linux, so everything would have the sticker. It would cost more money, but make it look more professional. It may deter people from Linux if they see "Linux" has enough money to put stickers on computers and has to approve everything. Including a brochure on installing Linux would be fine, though.
cantormath 03/13/07	Just a tux sticker......a picture that size of tux. And they can put dell under it if they want.
saharaab 03/13/07	why not it's a good idea. every PC is compatible for M$ products it's not necessary to make "Designed for BadVista" sticker but showing people that Linux can run on that hardware is a good idea
webb3172 03/13/07	Forgive me if this was said already, so many comments to scan over. I used to work for an OEM and they got kickbacks for sticking Intel/Windows stickers on machines. It didn't matter if the buyer didn't order any OS at all, the sticker went on contractually, I believe. To add my personal two bits - I say no stickers at all! Maybe put them on the box, but the fact is the Dell hardware has nothing to do with Windows or Linux, it's just a computer, you can put anything on it you want. Do we really need a laptop with an OS X sticker, a Linux Sticker, a Windows sticker, a free BSD sticker, etc., etc.? Pretty soon we will realize we need room for a computer. I'm not as opposed to Intel/AMD stickers, as that actually has something to do with what I'm buying.
matknny 03/14/07	Would be nice to see what one might look like. Matthew
jecoker79 03/22/07	I love it. Guess what was the first sticker I removed when I bought my Dell laptop a few months ago?
labtroll 03/23/07	STICKERS ARE GREAT BECAUSE: 1)Give people a real choice to install linux and know there will be drivers for that system 2)Make people who are not aware of linux , aware. 3)Will not cause a stir in the Linux community because Dell doesn't need to choose distros 4)Beat MS in it's own game.(marketing tactics are not intellectual property) it's subtle but effective!
nicobzz 03/26/07	hello, personaly I'm against stickers because they are ugly, but i'm for the user to be well informed of what he buy,so i think a good idea(if i'm not wrong dell sell only on internet) is to display in the web site where computer are sold that the computer is compitable with linux(but of course, what linux)and if it's not totaly compatible,so what part of the hardware is not compatible. A problem would be,maybe that if a beginer user see "linux compatible"in the web site he would believe that linux is installed on hard drive whereas he don't want that!so the seller like dell may not like to display that, i think the solution is to make a law that oblige every computer seller what OS is compatible!
mdeweerd 03/29/07	A sticker would at least give the assurance the hardware has certified drivers, or the hardware is at least been supported in kernel 2.6.x. A user who only wants Linux Ready hardware can stear clear away from the 'Vista' line.
jmxz 03/29/07	Most importantly, this sticker gives customers (especially managers in corporate environments) confidence that the software will work. Many corporations run software written by competitors of Microsoft (for example, Oracle products), and it's a bit disconcerting that if you want to run Oracle software on Dell hardware it's often in a machine clearly labeled "Designed for [a competitor of Oracle]". This is especially true since Microsoft has a history of designing things to break the software of competing software vendors (see the link below). In addition to adding a Designed for Linux sticker, I think removing the "Designed for Microsoft" sticker is important for customers running software made by Microsoft competitors like Oracle. Here's an ideastorm article for that: http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/65074/Stop_designing_For_Microsoft_as_m...<
kumvjuec 03/29/07	Burnt by LOW QUALITY BATTERY in your laptop? http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/65467/Either_improve_battery_quality_or...
badblood 04/07/07	Linux ready? Does that mean, impossible to use any hardware? Ready to throw away. Linux isn't ready for anything. It is a collection of third rate software installed on a kernel fantasy of a finnish student. Linux is a friggen mess. GNU has more originality and authenticity. I can't wait for them to finish their own bloody hurd or whatever they call it.
reg 04/20/07	WindOoze Fista pwned by Linux, AGAIN. Link goes to a Linux vs Vista feature by feature comparison. Linux wins, completely.
guyjohnston 04/20/07	badblood, you seem to be confusing what Linux and GNU are. GNU is an operating system. Linux is just a kernel, often used with most of the GNU system in the GNU/Linux operating system. There's more on this at http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html. So most of that "third rate software" is in fact parts of GNU. The Hurd is the kernel for the GNU system, which can be used to replace Linux, though it's not very advanced at the moment. Apart from the different kernels, GNU and GNU/Linux are pretty much the same, so if you think it's "third rate" (which I don't), you probably wouldn't think GNU is much better.
halbar 04/20/07	Dear Mr. Dell, We like your computers, but do not like the operating system. It is especially irritating then to have "Designed for Windows XP" plastered everywhere on your catalogs, adds, and so on. The windows stickers on your computers are like ugly, crooked warts on a sleek, pretty machine. Besides that, the edges are irritating catches for a person's skin on a hand or strands of hair. Why are they there? For aesthetics, for comfort, for efficiency, for cost, please stop putting those stickers on the computer. (I would rather have the 2 cents the sticker costs, than to have to sit there pealing the damn thing off of a brand new computer - only to have to THEN figure out how to get adhesive residue off without hurting the computer's finish.) Thank you for letting us post some ideas!
badblood 04/20/07	I think that they put them as a kind of warning label. "Made for Windows XP" means it won't run vista. Or "Vista Ready" means 'better not to buy it just yet'.
jmxz 04/20/07	@halbar: Note that HP lets you order without the sticker: http://ideastorm.com/article/show/65965< totally agree with your concern - the most important software we run here is Oracle - and Oracle's a competitor of Microsoft. It's especially scary considering that Microsoft considered projects to create deliberate incompatibilities in their systems with that of competitor's software (google for drdos caldera lawsuit). If you're running Oracle on a machine "Designed for Microsoft" - your data may very well be in danger.
premcv 04/20/07	If you're running Oracle on a machine "Designed for Microsoft" - your data may very well be in danger @jmx: I loved that bit! :) ROTFL
mdh 04/20/07	Totally... I always peel off the icky windows stickers if I am using a computer that came with one. ;-)
joesdelly 04/20/07	Enough stickers already!
premcv 04/23/07	Get over the stickers, already! There are a whole lot of them. Service tag, the M$ CoA, the Intel and then the Windows. Makes my system look like a sticker box!
heytud 04/24/07	If there is a demand for the stickers, they should be issued by some organization within the Linux community. It shouldn't be the responsibility of PC makers like Dell. Certainly they could put them on their product where appropriate.
premcv 04/24/07	I would want a sticker for my Windows box that goes: My Computer will work until ___ days before the next blue screen! That will be a great sticker and it should have a countdown!!! So that I can know when I should stop using the system.
janaka 05/02/07	This would be just a gimik! but it will be something nice to have.
dell_admin1 05/03/07	Changed status to UNDER CONSIDERATION.
badblood 05/03/07	Not AGAIN! UNDER CONSIDERATION! YOU ARE CONSIDERING A STICKER! Wow there are really too many staff in Dell! If you sell a computer that is designed for Linux then you should add the sticker. DESIGN THE COMPUTER ADD THE STICKER....it is a relatively simple formula. Oh and while you are considering it, remove the VIsta sticker on computers designed for Linux...that kind of makes sense, no. Again 'Ha! I snap my fingers at your UNDER CONSIDERATION...and flourish out the door!
reg 05/04/07	DO IT!
jorge 05/16/07	Well its a marketing angle Dell will consider it as long as it might bring in a few bucks, I can see that angle but actually being Linux compatible to the full extent of compatibility is a whole other story. Just buy some WD-40, it removes sticker glue quite well and easily, just smells bad.
winoffice 06/21/07	Well, provided that Windows systems can continue bearing the Windows systems (that is what mistern told me in a comment in thebittersea's idea "Dell Must Use Ubuntu Stickers! {Pics Inside}"), I agree. Besides, although I do not want Linux now, I do think that, if users do want Linux on their new systems, then they should know that they can safely use Linux on their new systems. And how else to find out that they can safely get Linux? By the stickers!
plaristote Apr 14	Badblood, "under consideration" just means they're about to talk about it.... you know, even us don't agree about it : "add cost for no benefit" or "design the computer, add the sticker"... We should be glad to see that Dell is considering the proposition ! The next step is when they're going to add the stickers on the computers (witch will be done, as you said it's normal to add it). There is a protocol, they just follow it.
comprevolution Aug 1	If this did this, they would have to put a sticker for every Linux and BSD distro, meaning that the entire laptop would be covered in Badges. would look cool, but ultimately useless.
jmxz Aug 1	@comprevolution: Not really. They don't have "Vista Home Ready" "Vista Business Ready" "Vista Ultimate Ready" "Windows 2008 ready", etc stickers.
comprevolution Aug 1	@jmxz so a sticker that says linux ready? thats like saying power ready or USB ready, Its so generic that its useless, the sticker doesn't say "windows ready" it says "designed for Microsoft Windows XP" Meaning a specific distro of windows.... so it would have to say designed for linux ubuntu, designed for linux red hat, designed for linux debian designed for linux....
jmxz Aug 2	Right. So just like for the windows stickers (where indeed Dell slapped "Vista Capable" stickers on computers) they would pick 1 linux sticker just like how today they pick one windows sticker. HP used to let people choose if they wanted the "Microsoft® Vista Ready Label" or the "Genuine Windows Vista™ Logo" (or none). Seems they could just as easily add another couple options too.
comprevolution Aug 4	Let me just clear this, becuase i think my statement wasn't wrote/read clearly. I think a sticker that says Linux ready or Linux capable would look cool, as well would start to inform Windows users about linux. but How would they choose which Distro its Designed for? being that just about every flavor would work where as with windows computers fit in a certian year catagory that is why a computer built in 2003 was designed for Windows xp where as a pc build in 2008 was designed for Vista, but a computer built in 2003 would be designed for any flavor of linux. all i'm saying is if you had a Designed for XP sticker.. then you would have a Designed for linux " " " " " " flavors.
jmxz Aug 4	As far as I can tell, Microsoft stickers stopped saying "designed for" with Windows XP (or was it even earlier; my last sticker that says 'designed for' was win98) ; and they now say "Microsoft® Vista Ready Label" (on machines shipped with XP -- and specifies nothing about which particular Vista will be too bloated to run on the machine) and something like "Genuine Windows Vista™" on machines shipped with Vista.
comprevolution Aug 4	At the company that i work for, Every machine sitting around me (45+) all have Designed for Win xp, Designed for Server 2003, Designed for Vista I don't think i've ever seen a label that just said Microsoft or windows. Flavor of linux = Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat Version of windows = 2000, xp, vista you keep thinking that i mean the windows systems say home, professional, ultimate... ect the way you have to look at it is this Windows/Microsoft = 1 company linux = unlimited companies with unlimited distros So unless you put 1 badge that just said linux ready and one badge that said Windows ready you would have to put 1 badge that says windows (current distro) ready and many that say Linux (all mainstream distros) ready. Which goes back to my main point... If you just put a badge that says Linux ready... its so generic that its useless.
jmxz Aug 4	@comprevolution: "Windows/Microsoft = 1 company " "linux = unlimited companies with unlimited distros " Or to put it a different way: "Windows/Microsoft" = a dozen internal forks at Microsoft; with every PC OEM and Distributor shipping a different mix of drivers, configurations and patches on top. "Linux" = One mainline kernel tree from kernel.org. About 4 major distributors (RedHat, Novell, Debian, Canonical) that put some drivers and applications on top of the same OS. These are the Vista stickers I saw (with explanations from information week): Except for highlighting machines that can only run Vista Basic, they're so generic they're pretty useless too.
comprevolution Aug 4	ok so then both are useless?
jmxz Aug 4	Yeah. :)

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