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Stop Overcharging on Notebook RAM

17420 points posted to Sales Strategies, Laptops by realskript 08/28/07 **UNDER REVIEW**

Dell really... REALLY need to stop overcharging... and when i say overcharing... i mean atleast double what you would pay to pick up the ram yourself.
On XPS Notebooks... you are charging $500 for 4GB of ram... when you could easily go pick them up at your local computer shop for $250... and pocket the other half of the $500...

It would be nice if dell could save the customers as well as the company itself this hassle.. and start charging NORMAL prices for an upgrade in RAM.

thanks =D

PS..... PROMOTE THIS!!!!

nicopoon 08/28/07	Yep, I posted this too along the same lines: http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/73292/Make_memory_upgrades_EASIER_not_m...
realskript 08/28/07	my bad... i tried searching to see if anyone had already... ill go promote yours :)
winoffice 08/29/07	Another point. Windows Vista runs best at least with 1 GB of RAM. Some people want the 32-bit version of Windows Vista (if they do want it) for better performance and compatibility with older programs. Thy probably know by now that the 32-bit version can address only 3 GB of RAM. However, this often is more than enough for their needs. So please offer 3 GB as an option for RAM! It would offer more RAM for the system than 2 GB, and would be cheaper than 4 GB.
james_g 08/29/07	While the addressing does cut off in Windows 32 bit operatnig systems (XP & any Vista 32) that doesn't mean the system doesn't use the resources. Especially on systems with a HyperMemory or TurboCaching Video card, since those systems have to take away from system RAM to complete their video RAM compliment (say it's total 256, it will only have 128 dedicated on the card and up to another 128 pulled from the system RAM depending on OS and BIOS settings). These cards pull from the RAM that's over 3GB saving the OS to use the rest. James Gray Dell Resolution Expert Center
undead999 08/30/07	they also overcharge on accessories http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&s...
james_g 08/30/07	I think that item is a pricing error, and considering it's one of the many 1 Gb usb keys we offer, just pick a different one
bobmilkman 08/30/07	Just an idea... how about buying the computer with the minimum ram, then taking a trip to Fry's and buying el cheapo ram there - about $30 for 1gb stick
james_g 08/30/07	If you can find new laptop RAM that's compatible with currently shipping systems for as low as 30 bucks I say go for it. But i've never seen it that cheap James Gray Dell Resolution Expert Center
realskript 08/31/07	there are those kinda prices... you can get a pair of GBs (2x1GB) for just less than 100$ CAD
lorax1284 08/31/07	Their hard drive upgrade prices are close to buying the higher capacity disc outright... I saw an 80 gig 7200 RPM drive on a local computer retailer's Website for $105 CDN: the "upgrade" for the XPS M1330 hard drive from 120 GIG 5400 RPM to 120 GIG 7200 RPM is $100! The upgrade from 120gig 5400 to 160 gig 7200 is $200 CDN: a 160 GIG 7200 RPM drive is $190! Pop out the 120 Gig drive and sell it on eBay (or slap it into an inexpensive external 2.5" USB enclosure!) My next dell order will be on telephone, and I will insist the rep drop everything to the bare minimum (256 meg ram in a santa rosa notebook!) then I'll pop two gigs ram in that I pick up at retail in Toronto for $85 CDN (with tax, works out to about 110 max). It's like charging 5 bucks for 5¢ worth of popcorn and another 5 for the coloured fizzy sugar water: I think Dell forgets we're not locked in a darkend room: there are alternatives for us... but it sure makes their low advertised prices for underequipped machines more attractive.
realskript 09/01/07	^^^^^ Very true. They overcharge on everything to be honest... And I'm not against Dell Making money.... But honestly.. $500 for RAM? $250 for a Harddrive? Dell outsells Amazon and eBay per annum, but think of how much more they could sell if they had these customizable options for fair and decent prices... They probably make 600% of their cost, if not more... bring it down to 200% or 300% and watch the sales boom.
realskript 09/01/07	^^ Dell outsells Amazon & eBay COMBINED.
noimagination 09/01/07	I'm sure that DELL (and other hardware companies) make a lot of their profit from the additional RAM/Harddrives they put in machines, they're not going to stop unless there is a way for them to make that money elsewhere. Margins on the base machines are pretty thin, so they need to make money somewhere. If I'm capable enough technically to buy memory myself, they don't get that margin. The big suckage here is the harddisks, not memory. Because of the DRM on MS OSs, I can't easily swap out the primary harddisk.
exul182 09/02/07	If you do want smaller prices on upgrades and Dell still getting a fair profit for what they are doing the only alternative is having more expensive basic configurations, higher starting prices. In this case your configuration will end up at the same price because Dell will charge more for the build, but what Dell has in mind (in my opinion, of course) is to make Dells available for everybody, make the lower-end configuration cheaper so that anyone can afford it (gather more customers) and to keep making a decent profit charge extra from the customers with a wealthier status (something like Robin Hood..take from the rich and give to the poor policy) and this way Dell will gather more fans and faithful customers. They could make the whole notebook ridiculously expensive like Sony or Apple.
bulletgani 09/02/07	One can always buy CHEAP ram on the net. Let DELL make some profit ;-)
yelo3 09/02/07	See this: dell wants 432€ to upgrade from 1GB to 4GB. Santech (an italian vendor) wants only 250€ for the same upgrade, and the RAM is Kingston/Infineon!!! It is really a shame that dell overcharges so much... What will happen if I want to upgrade my ram? maybe I will loose the warranty...
exul182 09/02/07	I think dell has parts warranty...but I am not sure...so you won't lose anything..
lorax1284 09/03/07	Dell is a for-profit company, that's fine: but I think what we're all objecting to is the unsavoury aspect of listing pre-configured setups that are underpowered, and then jacking up the price on the upgrades that are, for lack of better term, "required" for the machine to function at a reasonable performance level. The people participating here on Ideastorm aren't likely to be taken in by this... it's the "civilians" that don't know that they're paying too much for these upgrades (and honestly, wouldn't know 'format' from 'foreplay'). All this said, compare the value-for-money between Dell and Toshiba and HP: you get more computer for your money with Dell... I keep hoping that Toshiba or HP will deliver a 17" 1920 x 1200 notebook at a competitive price to Dell's... but for whatever reason, they not only seem to avoid 17" 1920 x 1200 screens, the few machines they offer with that screen resolution are hundreds of dollars more costly. I'll still downgrade all the bits I can on my next Dell purchase and do the upgrades myself, cuz I'm a cheap ba*tard.
fgilley 09/04/07	that price on a 1 gig FLASH drive is pretty silly, 400 dollars?? when everyone knows you can get a good 2 gig for 40-60 dollars somewhere.. i can see charging a margin, but 10x the amount of another place? what the heck, with ram.. i can see charging a LITTLE more because the advantage of getting memory with your system from dell.. is that its under warranty, but geezz..
fgilley 09/04/07	yelo3, you wouldnt void your dell warranty, if you called in because of a hardware issue, you would first have to remove any 3rd party hardware, and then you could troubleshoot the system with the way it came from the factory.
yelo3 09/04/07	Are you sure that there is no warranty stick (as in ASUS laptops) that will break the warranty if removed?
realskript 09/04/07	you know...... im sure dell gets this stuff DIRT CHEAP... they by products by the hundreds of thousand... if not millions.... that means... if the corner shops can get it for that cheap... understand that dell gets it alot cheaper.... so they are making a ridiculous amount of profit over this.
bbr 09/06/07	Agree check this: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/zoeken/?keyword=kingston&catID=&priceMin=0&pri...
perfectcode 09/06/07	Notebooks arnt the only problem. It's a problem for both desktops and notebooks. Also, ram is not the only thing that is overpriced. Oh and why wont Dell offer both 32bit and 64bit versions of XP/Vista for the same price? Wtf
realskript 09/06/07	^You may want to make a new post/idea And Notebooks are much more overpriced than desktops you can upgrade from 1GB to 4GB for 200$ for a desktop... vs the $500 you would pay for the same kind of upgrade.
perfectcode 09/06/07	Look at the Dell XPS 720. It costs $700 to upgrade to 4GB or Corsair ram. You think that is correct?
tleavit 09/06/07	Lol, I posted this exact same message but a lot nicer like 6 months ago, it got 1/4th the votes and it was even nicer. BOOO to Dell admin!!!
tleavit 09/06/07	May 4th: This is a rant, Up until 3 months ago, a top of the line Dell latitude that we bought with 2 gigs of ram cost about $1700. On the web site, if I altered the config to 4 gigs of RAM, dell ADDED $1700 to the price ($3400). I have to admit that this was one of the most ridiculous charges I have ever see. Switching from 2 X 1gig chips to 2 X 2 gig chips cost more then the entire laptop. In the past few months the price has dropped to a whopping http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&oc=MLB167... is still borderline ridiculous, especially for people who want Vista builds. I have seen aftermarket chips as low as $200+ each. There’s absolutely no reason to change more than $250 extra to go from 2 gigs to 4 gigs of http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170381+130912... its not like Dell uses high quality ram in its OEM builds.
lorax1284 09/06/07	as of September 6th, 2007, the upgrade from 2 gig 667 MHz (2 x 1 gig) ram to 4 gig 667 MHz (2 x 2 gig) ram is $410: $170 more than to buy the 4 gig ram outright from newegg.com. if you factor in the "swap out" of the 2 x 1 gig sticks at regular retail ($80) that brings the price of the 4 gig ram to $490: so Dell is overcharging $250 (OVER 100%!) on the 4 GIG ram. At those kind of margins, I just assume they WANT you to buy the ram elsewhere. So, when you order your computers, get them to drop the ram to 256 meg, and drop the hard drive to the tiniest, slowest one available. Even if you throw the supplied ram and HD in the trash you'll save hundreds of dollars.
dell_admin1 09/06/07	Changed status to UNDER REVIEW.
realskript 09/07/07	YAY!!! ^^^ Thanks =D
tleavit 09/07/07	on that note. Server ram is doing a lot better I bought 2 Poweredge 2900's and got 24 gigs of ram on them for pretty cheap. But on the flip side, these were 1333 bus chips and the only ram I could buy was 667mhz ecc. Search for my thread on that one and promote it.
arenaninja 09/13/07	I believe we're ignoring all of the overhead that Dell actually goes through in making the computer. Think cases, fan, etc. However, RAM IS overpriced at Dell. I am actually holding off on a new system partly because of this... I'd rather be charged $2 for the Mouse and $2 for the Keyboard ($4 total) and a $20 'Assembling fee' if the RAM can be cheaper. I'm sure a lot of people would take issue with this, but hey... I'm just throwing ideas into the pot.
jervis961 09/20/07	DRAM prices continue to drop. But will the savings get passed on to the ?http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070920/tc_pcworld/137395
winoffice 09/26/07	However, one problem is that the $250 RAM might not always be compatible with your system....
jervis961 09/26/07	That is why you buy from a reputable company with a good return policy. There is no way Dell's ram should cost as much as it does. In the end they are charging over full price and not giving credit for the ram they took out of the basic system. You are paying twice for ram when you upgrade.
realskript 09/28/07	it is VERY easy to find compatible RAM... at half the price... lets be honest here please.
winoffice 09/29/07	realskript: "it is VERY easy to find compatible RAM... at half the price... lets be honest here please." Really? Somehow I always have problems in finding compatible memory for my Dell PCs, and that is why I always end up buying the memory directly from Dell. But if you are right there, then I would suggest that Dell charge the same $250 as does the competition. It would be cheaper, and for one thing I would be certain that the RAM is compatible.
marzetti 09/30/07	Dell needs to re-evaluate pricing on the website.
andragon 10/12/07	I think the pricing can be a bit skewy at times. But on the whole, i've noticed Dell's recent pricing is very good. RAM needs reviewing certainly.
xgregx 10/26/07	I've put Non dell ram in 2 different Dell computers with no problems. It was good ram at 1/2 the price. We all know...Dell doesn't actually make the Ram.
dwood 11/11/07	you guys should know that the cheaper RAM usually does not last as long
jervis961 11/11/07	By how long dwood?
dwood 11/11/07	its quality over quantity. Wish I knew exactly. I dont want to lie and give you a stat off the top of my head.
jervis961 11/11/07	But in the 2 - 4 lifespan of a normal computer will it really make a difference?
gretsch001 11/12/07	DELL IS NOTORIOUS FOR OVERCHARGING FOR ADDITIONAL RAM AND HARD DRIVES. TYPICALLY, YOU CAN GET BRAND NAME RAM, HARD DRIVES AND VIDEO CARD UPGRADES FOR LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT DELL TRIES TO CHARGE ITS CUSTOMERS. The approach I've used very successfully is to order a bare bones desktop and upgrade to premium components. As far as Dell being "allowed" to make a reasonable profit, I have no problem with that concept at all. However, the local computer stores are also making a reasonable profit and still selling brand name components at half the price of what Dell charges. And, in my books, that makes Dell guilty price gouging!
nsenman 12/03/07	This is the reason why I always buy a Dell notebook with the smallest amount of RAM offered at the time of sale because I believe the price is inflated. I then go online find 4GB of RAM for $100! I totally agree that the RAM prices need to be lowered.
wnahorn 12/10/07	While I agree for the most part...I am not the one that has to maintain stocks of the various types of RAM that Dell has used in the various lines of computers they have sold over the years. With that in mind, they actually have a decent price on Rambus RAM. So yes, they charge too much for me to buy current upgrades, but for the people who do not know any better, Dell has just what they need for the upgrade, annd the customer has one place to go to receive support. So, I'm mixed on this one.
dwood 12/18/07	HURRRRR-YAWN
pattyboy 12/18/07	You gotta realize that about 75% of Dells customers don't even know you can upgrade the Ram. Another 20% may realize it, but would never try to upgrade it in a million years. This is Dell's Prey. I'm not sure that I really count it against them from profiting from it, but I do think It could be used to their advantage to educate their customers about these things and in doing so, gain more market share and potential profit by being known as an "open and honest" company. In our business environment, it is the rare company that will go this route and although it almost always pays off in the end, I doubt Dell has the forethought, and/or cajones to give it a try.
sphagnum 12/23/07	With some of Dell's laptops, like the Inspiron 1520 and 1720, you have to pull out the keyboard to get to one of the RAM slots. This is certainly a deterrent to upgrading RAM for someone who is not technically inclined. If you don't upgrade the RAM under the keyboard, you lose the ability to run dual channel. On models where the RAM slots are both accessible from the bottom of the laptop, upgrading RAM isn't that big a deal -- assuming you have compatible RAM.
complexco 12/25/07	The Dell overpricing occurrence in its upgrades and peripheral sales is very similar to the marketing strategies of a supermarket : Convenience. The main item is priced appropriately and all things surrounding it are overpriced, a customer would save time by just buying the overpriced small items around the main item along with it. On a personal consumer or a business scale, the upgrades and peripherals serve to save time and effort rather then money at the point of sales, time and effort that can be better spent making more money. The whole Dell idea seems to be that the computers are ready to use as soon as assembled for the intended purpose, no relay intended to me internally tinkered with much. Besides, overpricing and all, i think Dell has come a long way from the ol' days, you know, when the only components you could put in a Dell where dell made, nothing else worked/fit/etc...
ioniancat21 Jan 2	Kingston is not only cheaper, it also comes with a lifetime warranty unlike Dell. So actually this is what should happen 1. Lower memory prices 2. Offer lifetime warranties on all memory modules like other manufacturers or lower prices below major competitors so consumers will at least get a cheaper price being that their on their own if chips fail.
bbr Jan 7	Dell upgrade from 2g 633 mHz ram to 4g 800mHz ram : 255 Euros Kingston standalone compatible package. 4x 1g 800 mHz ram : www.kingston.com 4x 55 euros = 220 Euros. That means dell is overcharging you by 35 Euros "PLUS" the cost of 2x 1g 633 mHz ram. Seems a tad pricy. Ofcourse the cost of putting that ram into the machine is included into the custom modification, but THAT MUCH ? seems a bit over the top for a 5 minute modification job.
schmitty Jan 12	I agree! I'm in Toronto, Canada and the non-sale price for quality corsair or Mushkin 4GB (2x2GB) SO-DIMMS is $99CDN...whereas it is a $400 upgrade from 2GB on the Dell.ca site. I understand the need to charge a premium, but 400% is just too much!
realskript Jan 19	its $300 for an upgrade from 3GB to 4GB... its outrageous that this hasn't been looked at by dell as of yet. I'ts been "under review" for over 4 months now
vardanian Jan 19	Dear all I think dell is much cheaper than other brands. As for the policy regarding 4GB of ram and other option - Dell sells a pretty nice "smart value" notebooks. Actually it seems to me they try to manage the demand. Did anybody think what is the real difference in the amount of memory more than 2GB - not a big difference in performance!
laxboy10 Jan 21	the upgrade from 2 gb to 3 is more than the upgrade for 3 to 4 and in a laptop, they both require replacing a 1 gig dim with a 2 gig one, why is there a price discrepancy?
sqlguru Jan 28	While I agree that component pricing for Dell systems should be price competetive, keep in mind that there is a lot of misunderstanding of what memory really works in a system. But unless you know the difference between low density and high density memory, you might not be getting what your system needs. Low density memory is the cheaper stuff, but if you put it in most systems, it will only recognize HALF of the memory you put in.....so, go ahead and get the best deal for you, just make sure that what you are buying works in your system BEFORE you start. Link: http://www.overclock.net/faqs/113885-info-what-difference-between-low-density...
wolfwings Feb 7	My beef with this whole fiasco: It's cheaper to buy the 1GB option, AND the 2x2GB RAM Upgrade for the M4300 for example, than it is to just buy the M4300 w/ 2x2GB in the first place. And this is buying the 2x2GB RAM modules from the Dell on-line store as part of the same order no less. At least bring price-parity on the 2GB-module-based laptop memory options between 'system build' and 'upgrade purchase' areas.
hoodedthing Feb 10	Yep, I want 4gb ram in the m1330 I'll be ordering later this spring, and I'll definitely just order it with 1gb RAM. To upgrade from 1gb RAM to 4gb RAM with Dell costs $400. Here (http://shop.kingston.com/partsinfo.asp?promo=PRCGRBR&ktcpartno=KTD-INSP6000B/2G) I can buy a 2gb stick for $75. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these sticks will fit into an m1330, and 75x2=150 as opposed to dell's 400 for the same thing. In fact, I'll have the 2 512mb RAM sticks or whatever Dell uses to make it 1gb, so it should really be even less than that for Dell to give me 4gb RAM.
crimson117 Feb 12	I know Dell needs to make a profit somewhere, and RAM upgrades are a good spot - they're technical enough that many users would be willing to pay Dell to install them, they're enough of a commodity that Dell can stock them as needed, and even with a profit margin on top of them they are still one of the best performance upgrades. Yes, you can do it cheaper yourself, but that's usually true with any computer manufacturer.
tad1214 Feb 16	My biggest worry is the price of ram will drop, and to compensate, they will raise the prices on something else or build it into the base system, to make up the difference. I just look at it as a way for me to save money, I will let the big spenders take the blunt of the bill.
programatix Feb 25	If Dell want to charge extra on the RAM, at least don't fill up all the available slots. Instead of giving 2GB (2x1GB) RAM, install a 2GB (1x2GB) RAM. Currently Dell is overcharging the RAM and force customers to upgrade from Dell because they need to throw away 1 stick of RAM to upgrade on their own.
wallyhorse Mar 1	For those who don't already know: Dell just slashed the price of RAM for notebooks. For instance, the upgrade from 3GB to 4GB, previously $200, is now $50.
programatix Mar 1	Over here is Malaysia, the price is still the same. Upgrade from 3GB to 4GB is still RM383 (119.856 USD) since January. 2GB to 3GB is RM379 (118.604 USD).
pattyboy Mar 11	it took the increasing loss of market share to competitors to force them to follow suit, but Yea! none the less. Could a not expensive price for the XT tablet PC be next? We could only hope...
tad1214 Mar 11	What wally horse said, Ram upgrades are cheap, sans the 8GB on the Precision M6300, but I don't think you can even buy 4 GB sticks in stores yet...
bbr Mar 17	I wonder if you could order a pc, without ram. and just plug it in rough a third party site afterwards. Would save a few bucks.
tad1214 Mar 20	You would loose your warranty support from the factory. If anything at all electronical happend they wouldn't be able to rule out that it was caused by faulty ram.
realskript Mar 26	I just hopped on the dell site to check out this slash in prices wallyhorse was talking about.... 3gb to 4gb upgrade on the xps m1530 is $150 .... 1gb to 4gb is $300 upgrade. I can pick up a 4GB kit of Mushkin 667mhz ram for $82+tax, or 4GB kit of OCZ 800mhz at $95+tax These are well known well trusted brands.....
realskript Mar 26	And Dell sells 2GB sticks of RAM for the M1530 for $69.99+tax thats $140+tax compared to the $300 upgrade from 1GB to 4GB ... odd? i think so..
realskript Apr 3	Thought I'd let everyone know that the prices for RAM on the xps M1530 has dropped $150 for the 4GB upgrade, it isnt the same as aftermarket prices on RAM, but at least it is respectable, and not the original $500 that we started with. hopes that Dell cuts the price by half
programatix Apr 12	Here in Malaysia, the memory supplied by Dell is Kingstone. From 2MB to 3MB, Dell Malaysia is charging RM203. In another words, to add 1MB, the price is RM203. From 2MB to 4MB, the price is RM406. In another words, to add 2MB, the price is RM406. Wow, this is way too expensive. If I buy the identical memory (same speed, same brand), 2MB costs only RM150. If I buy 2x2MB, they cost only RM300. So, if I upgrade the memory on my own to 4MB, it only costs me RM300, plus I get to keep the original 2MB that comes with the laptop.
tad1214 Apr 17	I'm pretty sure you mean GB?
programatix Apr 18	Ops. GB not MB.
cryingmonkey Apr 29	There's updated prices on the dell site now, They're advertising $50 per GB for upgrades on notebook ram. :D
wywern209 May 18	dude, 250 for 4 gbs of ram, i can get that much for bout 70 dollars, can get bout 15 gb of ram for 250
gene91 May 26	It's even more ridiculous in China now. For XPS and INS laptops, upgrading from 1G2 cost the following: > to 1G+2G, RMB700 (equivalant to USD100), XPS only > to 2G+2G, RMB2000 (equivalant to nearly USD300) It's easy arithmatic that 7002 is much samller than 2000. But for Latitude, it cost much less, while upgrading from 5122 cost the following: > to 1G2, RMB209; to 1G+2G, RMB692 (odd thing); to 2G+2G, RMB610. Why's that? It's done deliberately? It shouldn't be. I asked several service representatives and they all told me that changing RAM will not affect warranty on any other part. When their being asked about the high RAM price DELL offered, some of them from the experience shop and the online chat REMINDED me that I can do the upgrade myself. Will Dell be benefit this way?
bbr May 30	It should be possible to select "no ram"
wallyhorse Jun 12	Updating on this; I Buy Power now has at least some laptops where an upgrade from 2GB to 4GB is only $40. Dell may need to look at cutting the cost of it's RAM upgrades at $10 a gig from the $50 it was at not that long ago.
kgagnon Jun 15	Agree! And like many others said before, this is the same case for hard drive too. When I order PowerEdge servers, basic price is very low, but when adding 6 drives, it end up with an outstanding price!
bhock Jun 19	I completely agree with the "no ram" option. Will also support a "no video card option." Newegg has the 8800gt for $150 - Dell "add" option.... $250
wywern209 Jun 27	I completely agree with the "no ram" option. Will also support a "no video card option." Newegg has the 8800gt for $150 - Dell "add" option.... $250" yeah, but u can watch it burn in the the m1530 because the cooling system isn't enough o support such a hot card. how about the choice where u get a whole laptop.
g3teg97 Jul 1	Promoted The memory upgrades for the M1530 is not that much. I was looking at the 2GB memory stick and from Dell (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Memory_Upgrades/productdetail.asp...) is $69.99 with lifetime warranty. On newegg.com, Kingston makes a 2GB for 49.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134623) and newegg offers a year replacment. Anything other than that goes to Kingston. Maybe after seeing this idea, they make the prices a little cheaper.
s33nagain 3 days ago	Well, It shouldn't cost 250$ just for 4 GB of ram to be preinstalled. And secondly, since you guys order your stuff in bulk, It should be cheaper. You guys do need to make a profit, though. So I think somwhere around 300$ is a good amount (like in the range of 200-400 dollars).

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